When Jon retired in , Ian happily took up the mantle. We wanted to spend time working to launch some really serious hardtails that will stand comparison with anything.
In we did our first Whyte hardtail, just as an experiment, something different to ride in the winter when the ground round here gets really mushy and some people go singlespeed. The design concept behind the 19 titanium frame was to get a balance between contemporary technology and new mm fork geometry, but pull off a really classic and elegant look to the bike.
We worked with Litespeed to develop the design concept we had, and the results have been fantastic, so all those people riding aluminium 19s now have the option to upgrade to something special.
All the core features are still there; the 19 dropout system makes it a really versatile, future-proof frame and with BB30 you get stiffness gains and weight savings over conventional cranks. We chose to tweak the geometry of the Mount Vision ever so slightly for to enhance its trail capabilities, with an eye on the new, stiffer Fox 15mm quick-release axle. It helps make the Mount Visions that little bit better.
Well, Jon achieved some significant firsts in the bike industry. The first full-suspension bike to win the National Cross-Country Championships, thanks to Paul Lasenby, is a pretty significant highlight in the history of the mountain bike, and from that point full-suspension has really become established. The PRST-1 project was totally off the wall and Jon and Adrian Ward really did come up with something totally new and innovative, which at the time revolutionised front suspension performance and, perhaps more importantly for UK riders, reliability.
Kona Fan. Click to expand His FRS system was used by Marin in Whyte came from the world of Formula One. As a senior suspension designer on the Benetton team he helped F1 driver Michael Schumacher to the first of his world championships.
I love te interesting history beind the name. This one's definitely a keeper Hopefully I'll do it justice with parts selection! You must log in or register to reply here. Similar threads C. Replies 0 Views May 27, chris-fireice. Replies 17 Views 2K. Aug 27, AndyFB. Wanted Interesting but tatty frame for project. Replies 11 Views Monday at sportbiber.
Santa Cruz Blur X4. Replies 2 Views Wednesday at dadoc Replies 17 Views Oct 22, kingoffootball. Latest posts. The law of attraction. Then when a big boy pushes out a weirdo with full marketing campaign to back it up, people call it, marketing bullsht, a trend that will pass. But when a small company does it, ooooh mhy ghawd so awake as fuk. WAKIdesigns : good point man, also consider Fibonacci sequence and the golden ratio in regards to asthetics and function in nature and man made design.
WAKIdesigns : Just because it isn't used in any sport at performance level doesn't mean it wouldn't work. Back in the days apparently this Whyte design was around, you had the German:A. Kilo forks and you could argue that the USE S. I've got to look up what happened to USE exactly there as an article in Cranked sometime ago, apparently the man continued with Exposure lights but I do recall seeing those on some 4X bikes back in the days.
Seemed to deal just fine with sideways loads. Rear shocks have also become lighter, more common, advanced and reliable over time so this makes it a more attractive option to use for bike companies than it was back in the days. I'm not buying into the idea that "it is not being used there and there, so it is probably not good to be used here either.
Though obviously I'd most rather see them succeed. I appreciate to see ideas and inspiration go between disciplines, but only in the positive sense. And it goes the other way around too. Sometimes it simply doesn't work. So they don't have a linkage fork in motocross. USD forks are common there. Yet in recent years we've seen so many companies experiment with USD forks for regular bicycles and it simply doesn't materialize. X-Fusion was supposed to have one, Fox experimented with it too, the RockShox fork is limited to XC and getting less common at the top level.
I'm not saying that USD forks are bad. I'm just saying that motocross and bicycle riding are apparently so different that something that has proven to be the way to go in MX apparently isn't such a good idea on bicycles. Either way, the new Structure bike will be released this fall. People and testers from magazines in particular will get it and ride it hard.
Let's wait for that. If it fails miserably you can come back here and tell me "I told you so". If it holds up and performs as intended, let's pretend we didn't have this conversation, ok? Until then, it is undecided. Like not having a front brake on your bike, running half of the spokes. But expecting it to become anything close to a norm is a lunacy. It's just another thing, like Platypus. Some things concerned it makes perfect sense, All things concerned it makes less sense than the telescopic fork.
As if Lefty wasn't pushing the edge already. The test you are describing will never happen, some journos will take it, ride it and say, "oh interesting", and we will all move on. Because you can get away with such shit, in MTB there will always be room for what ifs, weirdos and straight forward marketing scams like 12speed Eagle. But there is little room for inconvenience and this design is simply inconvenient. Lugers Aug 22, at Lugers : where do we fit Chris Froome into this?
But if you ask me about pedalling styles I like Joris Daudet more. Puts out way more Watts than Froome and jumps million times better than him. But if you are into being fastest on the fireroad climb then yeah, you chose the right role model.
WAKIdesigns : just throwing this en. Are those pegs on there? DrStairs Aug 22, at WAKIdesigns : ever heard of the round goby? Extremely successful invasive fish that takes ugliness to new extremes. WAKIdesigns : Just look at the skeletons of all of those prime predators.
All will employ linkage suspension design, front and rear. More things to consider Because the bike may handle poorly by other factors, like a high bottom bracket or a short wheelbase… -if we were able to tune the frame by today standards, would we have a better design overall? A longer front end, short rear.
You see? Haters will hang from the overall performance of this bike, forgetting to compare it with the bikes of that era. They will also blame the fork for poor performance, forgetting that the bike does affect the handling in more than one way… Also.
This bike was not designed for DH! Otherwise is like comparing a long wheelbase DH bike of today with an ultra-light XC race bike, into climbing a long steep trail! They dared to experiment and their experience and knowledge have find its way to the bikes we ride today, one way or another…. Structure-Ryan Aug 22, at We Structure are often asked why we're reintroducing a linkage front when it's failed before.
As you said, linkage designs - Whyte, Girvin, Amp, etc. We're grateful for the innovators who came before us and we've learned from the mistakes of the past, such as designing around an incomplete list of a kinematic variables, fragile pivots, and proprietary parts.
Current front suspension is good, but could be so much better, and linkages are the only way to create a step-change in front end performance. Now it's just a matter of realizing the potential while avoiding the greater number of potential problems.
We're giving it our best shot! Structure-Ryan : One must come to an conclusion, that there is not much left to be developed in telies. Aside from super-materials which are not result of mountainbike industry, or ever changing geometry changes. The only part that can see some proper development in short term are dampers. Everything else in telescopic fork is a finished product. Linkage forks can bring a real revolution in industry where some manufacturers would offer their ready-to-use linkage units while some bicycle frame designers will create their own suspension platforms.
Wild 90's can come even stronger. That alone makes it worth pursuing - and the benefits to brake dive, trail, and front-centre length are even bigger prizes. Someone will eventually come up with a front linkage that's superior in every way except perhaps price.
We hope it's us. Time will tell. Structure-Ryan : Yes, I totally agree and I am following the evolution of your design. Just a number of manufacturers and the result is so interesting, many different approaches, more than I could have thought of…. Have you pursued it any further? Structure-Ryan : I love that you're trying something different but the level of acceptance of telescopic designs in the motorbike world seems to me to prove that alternatives are going to struggle to convince the MTB public otherwise.
I also find brake dive to nearly be a non issue on a 29" with lots of BB drop. Maybe if your riding a pound motorcycle with a pound rider a telescopic fork won't work that well but does that mean its not gonna work on a 28 lbs bicycle? Structure-Ryan : Unfortunately no. The patent process was really promising after all the Greek patent office is part of the European patent office….
Right now I am not covering the patent anymore. The annual expenses got proportionally too high for me. The other back then bike manufacturer colossus was Raleigh Bikes. Tell that to GT I-Drive and all the clones of my system up to today… So, Bad timing and the infamous Greek economic recession killed this project.
I do have an evolved design in 2 versions a gearbox one and a conventional transmission one, getting rid of the chain growth problem in paper. Some of the parts already bought… It is a matter of time to build a new one, just for fun!
By the way, the prototype works wonderfully. AyJayDoubleyou Aug 22, at RC knows something What is coming? Balgaroth Aug 22, at The frenchies are coming up with a really cool linkage fork with carbon leaf spring, and if I remember correctly a few brands were working on frames with integrated front linkage suspensions last spring or something.
So ye some stuff are coming, questions is, which one is currently in PB offices! PB-J Aug 22, at This is coming: structure. RabWardell Aug 22, at It was a lot of fun at the time! BobMckenzie Aug 22, at Cool article, thanks Richard. Makes me wonder - are we pretty much set on the "perfect" bike design at this point? Not just Polygon Naild or something - I mean some crazy shit like this Whyte. I test rode this bike also and went through the spherical bearing after 3 hours. Admittedly I broke everything at the time.
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